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Old Aug 15, 2005, 10:11 pm   #99 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry
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You're good for a few laughs anyhow, dilligras. I assume the duck thing was humor, and it made me chuckle. I actually like debating "conservatives" such as yourself. Most are even more hostile than you are and eventually get themselves banned from here, though. I don't think that will happen to you, 'cause you seem to have better self-control. The "clueless right-wing" label came out after your insults in post #91, and your base accusations in post #95, heh. But overall it would be best if we left the personal insults aside and stuck to the issues.

Anyhow, in many cases I think that the "conservatives" and I have some congruent world-views, and it's just that I am better informed regarding the issues. On foreign aggression by the US, I have the unique perspective of living in a nation conquered and occupied by the US military since 1893. Likely we will never agree on how the Empire that was once a republic has been twisted and perverted away from her righteous roots.

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I am now expected to have "knowledge" of that which exists only in the paranoid fantasies which filter your reality unto virtuality, in order that I may gain creedence enough in your eyes to earn what I can only imagine is what passes for "good sense" in your neck of the woods,
This is probably what needs some explanation. You haven't been around enough to know how I arrived at my "paranoid fantasies," but there is no doubt that the US is being ruled under a Declared State of Emergency extending back to 1933, and in any case since the SoE of September 14, 2001. But the press never mentions it. The SoE grants extraordinary and unconstitutional powers to the Executive branch and to the Chief Executive in particular.

The US is, at this point, virtually a whitewashed dictatorship, and trending in the direction of more restrictions of freedom than anyone would have thought possible a few years ago. But wouldn't you agree that Rule by the White House is not really what was envisioned in the balancing act set up by our honored founders? Not to mention that the Ninth and Tenth amendments balancing the Fed/State/individual equation have been rendered obsolete by Federal over-reaching? Yet the "conservatives" never take note of encroaching tyranny by the Federals. Apparently they can't find any objection to Free Speech Zones, fiscal irresponsibility, spying on anti-war groups, disregard of habeas corpus and many other abuses by Federal power. I expect Posse Comitatus to be disregarded soon, and that the national ID card will be the next great thing . Our views may be more congruent along social conservativism lines. But even there, I don't favor intrusive legislation regarding personal behavior unless there is a clear personal victim.

Anyhow, maybe we should bury the hatchet and debate like civilized men. How about it?

As to you being anti-war, don't make me laugh. Anti-war means saying "no" to war. If you just want to kill everyone opposed to the occupation so that the war is over, how is that anti-war?


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