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Old Jul 30, 2005, 10:02 pm   #1209 (permalink) (top)
SoccerfreakAB2
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I think you missed Pale Rider’s point. He was saying that the pro-abortionists must believe that the unborn child is not a person/human being and that after birth they are. If they did not hold this belief then they would all support an action that is a violation of the unborn person’s Constitutionally-guaranteed rights.

The 14th Amendment provides that “nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws” and therefore if the unborn child is a person, then they cannot be deprived of life without the due process of law, including a trial by jury etc. Therefore the pro-abortion movement and every person holding a pro-abortion stance must believe that the unborn child is not a person.

Pale Rider was saying that anyone who is pro-abortion, must believe that, at some point in time, every person must have not been a person. Your statement was that you believed him to be a person NOW but that is not what he was saying. Therefore you did not answer his assertion which still stands, and as I have shown, is a logical and legal necessity of the pro-abortion movement here in the US.
Except, do you really think that the founding fathers meant for unborn people to also be human citizens? I have no idea, since they never stated an opinion. That's kind of where the stalemate begins I suppose.
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