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Osborn F Enready · Jul 9, 2005, 01:22 pm

Ibskins said:
Are you a Christian, Osborn? If you are or aren't makes no difference to me, I make no moral judgements based on your choice of spirituality, I only ask as a matter of judging your level of ethical consistancy. Because the attitude implied in this section of your post is in complete opposition to Christian Teaching, or rather, the teachings of Christ. It indicates a level of anger than I believe most would consider unhealthy and I wonder at it's origins.

I say:
ROFLMAO.....excuse me. That was funny.

Ummmm, no, I am not a Christian, or a Catholic or any other religion. I would actually have to wonder where you would have picked that up with reference to me.

Ibskins said:
Do you always exhibit this same level of possesiveness towards public policy. The laws govern and protect you, but they do not belong to you. If, in the democratic republic you call home, duly constituted authorities pass legislation that changes the law, (the law, not your law, it is not yours), you have an obligation as a citizen to obey those laws. You do also have the right to protest those laws and should you chose to accept the consequence, you may have a moral obligation to civil disobidience, but I know of no thinking party who would suggest, that in a democratic society that is opperating within the confines of the definition of said society, you have the right to armed usurption of the laws because you do not like them.

I say:
Actually, I am not speaking about laws, I am speaking about rights, and they DO belong to me, regardless of what laws may be passed in direct opposition.

That is what makes our Republic different than so many others. We have a CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED republic, which states that no matter what laws the republic passes, they are inherantly limited by the Constitution, which may, make even newly made laws, null and void on face value if they are passed, but in direct contradiction to the Constitution.

We are NOT a democratic society. WE elect our leaders in a democratic fashion. We also are not operating within the "Confines" that we claim we are. We claim to be a Constitutional system, in alignment with our Constitution, this is a bald faced LIE.

I also can completely justify my anger, because in early times of this nation people would have been shot on sight for removing my rights the way this system has done.

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Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Ibskins said: Are you a Christian, Osborn? If you are or aren't makes no difference to me, I make no moral judgements based on your choice of spirituality, I only ask as a matter of judging your level of ethical consistancy. Because the attitude implied in this section of your post is in complete opposition to Christian Teaching, or rather, the teachings of Christ. It indicates a level of anger than I believe most would consider unhealthy and I wonder at it's origins. I say: ROFLMAO.....excuse me. That was funny. Ummmm, no, I am not a Christian, or a Catholic or any other religion. I would actually have to wonder where you would have picked that up with reference to me. Ibskins said: Do you always exhibit this same level of possesiveness towards public policy. The laws govern and protect you, but they do not belong to you. If, in the democratic republic you call home, duly constituted authorities pass legislation that changes the law, (the law, not your law, it is not yours), you have an obligation as a citizen to obey those laws. You do also have the right to protest those laws and should you chose to accept the consequence, you may have a moral obligation to civil disobidience, but I know of no thinking party who would suggest, that in a democratic society that is opperating within the confines of the definition of said society, you have the right to armed usurption of the laws because you do not like them. I say: Actually, I am not speaking about laws, I am speaking about rights, and they DO belong to me, regardless of what laws may be passed in direct opposition. That is what makes our Republic different than so many others. We have a CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED republic, which states that no matter what laws the republic passes, they are inherantly limited by the Constitution, which may, make even newly made laws, null and void on face value if they are passed, but in direct contradiction to the Constitution. We are NOT a democratic society. WE elect our leaders in a democratic fashion. We also are not operating within the "Confines" that we claim we are. We claim to be a Constitutional system, in alignment with our Constitution, this is a bald faced LIE. I also can completely justify my anger, because in early times of this nation people would have been shot on sight for removing my rights the way this system has done. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready Last edited by Osborn F Enready; Jul 9, 2005 at 01:31 pm.