[Packratt]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Leopard,)
PackRat,
if, by some crazy chance, this project succeeds in gathering 20,000 liberty minded folks in a single state, and they do in fact promote a change in that state's government AND the results are actually 'positive' (like the economy grows significantly greater than all other states, that wages increase, that there are less drug addicts, less violence and criminals, that the children are better educated, etc etc)... would YOU then conceed that the freedom expoused by libertarians and the system they propose is not only viable, but that it quite possibly is 'better' than thecurrent one?

(in addition: that there is NOT this strange effect you see coming into being of slavery and trampling of individual rights)

michael<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Oh, trust me, I hope it's not some crazy chance, I hope you get all the like minded people just like you together in one spot, I know what will happen.

I tell you what. Michael, I read a few tidbits from your message board, I know how some of you think and I know what kind of society that will build. So let's agree on some measures then, how do we determine if you are a success or failure? I have different views of that than you do.

Let's say there will be an aggregate standard of living, we will determine your success by measuring poverty rates, death rates and average lifespans, homelessless rates, a slavery index (how many people hold indentured slaves), hunger rates, and some measure of how much you depend on state and federal services... amoung other things I'm sure... We'll see what kind of society you build.

We'll set all these rates up in comparison to the same statistics collected for each nation and see how free your society is, just how fair it is to ALL it's citizens, not just it's wealthy. Judging by the "let the poor die as god intended" and "people should be free to starve to death" comments in your message board, I already know I'll win any bet you make.