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Kyran · Feb 21, 2004, 01:59 pm

I heard about the FSP from Neal Boortz months ago.

Problem #1: The state of New Hampshire is populating faster than the FSP organization.

It's not working, improve your recruiting strategy! Some 13,000 new people became a part of NH the other year.

http://eire.census.gov/popest/data/states/...-EST2003-03.php

Problem #2: The FSP needs to VERIFY that people are actually joining them.

You guys should require all enlistees to mail by postage a bank balance receipt to prove they are prepared to go. Any idiot can say "sure, I'll go with you" but never does everybody do what they say they're gonna do. This is basic recruiting; it reflects the intelligence of the people behind your organization. Until the move happens, you have no clue how many real members the FSP has.

Problem #3: Who's gonna create the jobs for the 20,000 people who move into NH?

You could bring your businesses with you. But unplanned spontaneous decisions like this are not going to go without problems. I would expect a serious movement to list the skills and entrepreneurial capabilities of each and every member to ensure victory.

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I know the truth hurts, but if you want this to work then you need several core improvements; especially in your leadership. You aren't going to get libertarianism from the Green Party or libertarian-socialists. Sorry, but libertarianism is 100% capitalist. I don't want to take hope away from you. Faith is only as good as the object you place it in.

Suggestions:
--New leadership with hands-on experience AND success
--Training program in basic recruiting
--Census of member skills and true dedication level (bank balance)
--Change target state to a more realistic option
--Expel radicals and other libertarian-wannabes from your organization
--Develop meetings; get members involved in building the organization

To my knowledge, the FSP does not train members in recruiting. Read their page. Top priority seems to be paying a "president" of their organization and raising money. So much for the cause. Remember, evangelists will get you all excited and then ask for your money.

It is near impossible in recruiting to gain any substantial following when you do not display a sense of confidence. Trust me, because I have been an MLMer, a telemarketer, a retailer, and have been trained by professionals.

In telemarketing, the salesman has a sheet of paper in front of him with Rebuttals on it. What's a rebuttal? It's a Frequently Asked Question that he is prepared to respond to. The telemarketer is trained not to falter or "surrender" to what may seem to be wild claims by those he calls. It's nothing unusual to him; he sees it every day. His goal is clear: win friends not arguments. He pursues his goal to the result of a sale, without being offended or surprised.

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Amazing recruiting system, Black Flag. You managed to gain a total of 0 members with your post; a complete waste of your time and life. I hope you feel better now. Look, do you people want to win or does the challenge of accomplishing something frighten you? Nothing good is ever easy.

You can win. You just have to do what winners do.

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Kyran Igneous Magma Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 451	I heard about the FSP from Neal Boortz months ago. Problem #1: The state of New Hampshire is populating faster than the FSP organization. It's not working, improve your recruiting strategy! Some 13,000 new people became a part of NH the other year. http://eire.census.gov/popest/data/states/...-EST2003-03.php Problem #2: The FSP needs to VERIFY that people are actually joining them. You guys should require all enlistees to mail by postage a bank balance receipt to prove they are prepared to go. Any idiot can say "sure, I'll go with you" but never does everybody do what they say they're gonna do. This is basic recruiting; it reflects the intelligence of the people behind your organization. Until the move happens, you have no clue how many real members the FSP has. Problem #3: Who's gonna create the jobs for the 20,000 people who move into NH? You could bring your businesses with you. But unplanned spontaneous decisions like this are not going to go without problems. I would expect a serious movement to list the skills and entrepreneurial capabilities of each and every member to ensure victory. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know the truth hurts, but if you want this to work then you need several core improvements; especially in your leadership. You aren't going to get libertarianism from the Green Party or libertarian-socialists. Sorry, but libertarianism is 100% capitalist. I don't want to take hope away from you. Faith is only as good as the object you place it in. Suggestions: --New leadership with hands-on experience AND success --Training program in basic recruiting --Census of member skills and true dedication level (bank balance) --Change target state to a more realistic option --Expel radicals and other libertarian-wannabes from your organization --Develop meetings; get members involved in building the organization To my knowledge, the FSP does not train members in recruiting. Read their page. Top priority seems to be paying a "president" of their organization and raising money. So much for the cause. Remember, evangelists will get you all excited and then ask for your money. It is near impossible in recruiting to gain any substantial following when you do not display a sense of confidence. Trust me, because I have been an MLMer, a telemarketer, a retailer, and have been trained by professionals. In telemarketing, the salesman has a sheet of paper in front of him with Rebuttals on it. What's a rebuttal? It's a Frequently Asked Question that he is prepared to respond to. The telemarketer is trained not to falter or "surrender" to what may seem to be wild claims by those he calls. It's nothing unusual to him; he sees it every day. His goal is clear: win friends not arguments. He pursues his goal to the result of a sale, without being offended or surprised. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by So to the people that don't like the idea, oh well, fuck you, don't go, don't worry, just stay under this governments nonsense ways> just go back to sleep<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Amazing recruiting system, Black Flag. You managed to gain a total of 0 members with your post; a complete waste of your time and life. I hope you feel better now. Look, do you people want to win or does the challenge of accomplishing something frighten you? Nothing good is ever easy. You can win. You just have to do what winners do.