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Old Jun 12, 2005, 05:47 pm   #21 (permalink) (top)
caspian88
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Nowhere.. Except that they are encoded into every facet of our legal system.
That is because of convention.

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To deny that they exist is to deny your right to live as a free person as opposed to living as a slave.
I deny that they exist naturally. I hate to sound like a plagerizer, but Heinlein in "Starship Troopers" said it best - "What right to life does a man have who is drowning in the ocean?"

[/quote]You can make all the philosophical arguments that you like, but the fact remains that in this country, an inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is granted to every human being by his creator. [quote]

If you believe that these rights are granted, then you must also believe that they can be taken away.

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If you believe in God, then the right comes from that source,
There is no god. No rights come from that lack of a source.

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if you don't, then your parents create you and they give you that right.
If that is the case, then those same parents can take away that right. "Granting" rights and having "natural" rights are different things.

I have a right to life because everyone says that I do (Well, most people in the US). If everyone said that all white, anglo-saxon athiest libertarians/pseudo-anarchists had no rights to life, then I would have no right to life. "Rights" are inherently a choice made by people, for whatever reason.

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And it isn't a time compliant right.
What on earth is a "time compliant right?"

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If you are a human being, the right is yours.
Only if it is mutually agreed upon by everyone else.

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Since we don't become more human by virtue of our age, it stands to reason that we always have the right
Somehow, I find this irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is abortion and the right to life.

[quote]Roe is going to be struck down next time it is heard precicely because unborns are human beings from the moment of their conception (agreed upon by contemporary science)[quote]

Roe vs. Wade should be struck down, because this is a state matter. The federal government can neither permit nor forbid abortions, by any stretch of the Constitution.

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and in this nation, human beings have an inalienable right to life.
There is no such thing as an "inalienable" right. If rights are granted, they can be taken away just as easily. There is no such thing as a "natural" right.
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