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Quote by: Pale RIder While it is an egg, it belongs to the mother but upon fertilization, it is simple biological fact that the egg and the sperm both cease to exist. Once conception has taken place, the unborn is related to the mother but is no longer part of her body. That is the fact of biological development. Not subject to stapling, folding, or mutilating, or philosophical argument.

If the zygote is no longer a part of her body, by what laws are she or the sperm donor required to incubate it?

It is a new human being and if you are arguing that the mother owns it, then you are making the same misguided argument that the slave holders made way back when.

Someone owns it because it is through possession that it is being kept alive until it can survive on its own.

You are arguing that a human is not a human and therefore subject to ownership and lives or dies at the whim of his or her master.

Not at all.

If no one kept the records of those girls, how is it that the pro choice movement (and only the pro choice movement) seems to know so much about them. Where they got their abortions, what sort of complications they suffered, and how many of them died.

Maybe because of the number of arrests of back-alley abortionists. But, no one will really know the savage costs to young women when abortion was not legal.

If, as you say, there are no records, then it is self evident that your reference to them is a fiction, a fabrication, banana oil, an improvisation, a prevarication, a concoction, a myth, a terminological inexactitude..in short...a lie.

I don't know how to break through this type of ignorance.

I, and anyone who cares to look, have already seen that what you "know" of this subject is either made up by you, or those who feed you your talking points. It certainly doesn't reflect any real knowledge of human developmental biology, or the law.

Does this mean that if you believe this hard enough, you can keep your head buried in the sand?

This list of things that restrict what can be done to / with our bodies applies to male and female. They can not pollute their bodies with illegal drugs.

But they can pollute their bodies with alcohol and prescription drugs.

They can legally not hurl thier bodies off tall buildings or subject their heads to self inflicted gunshot wounds.

Oh? Do laws prevent thoughts of suicide?

In most locations they can not engage their bodies in the practice of prostitution.

You are right. It is illegal to sell your body for profit in most States. Unless it's adult porn.

We can not subject our bodies to riding in private automobiles without having them buckled into seatbelts.

That pertains to vehicle laws, not the body. If you sit in the back seats they do not apply to you as a passenger.

The list goes on and on but it is completely irrelavent to this discussion since the woman is not aborting her body, or any part of her body. She is terminating the life of another human being. That is the biggest lie of all. The lie that an abortion is nothing but something that the woman does to her own body.

I agree that the woman is terminating the life of another human being and it is wrong. But, it is a question of whose rights supercede the others. A woman has Constitutional rights over her property that are not abrogated by conception.