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Quote by: macnpat Where did the egg come from? Is it not the Mother's tissue without which there would be no fertilization, and no zygote? |
While it is an egg, it belongs to the mother but upon fertilization, it is simple biological fact that the egg and the sperm both cease to exist. Once conception has taken place, the unborn is related to the mother but is no longer part of her body. That is the fact of biological development. Not subject to stapling, folding, or mutilating, or philosophical argument.
It is a new human being and if you are arguing that the mother owns it, then you are making the same misguided argument that the slave holders made way back when. You are arguing that a human is not a human and therefore subject to ownership and lives or dies at the whim of his or her master.
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Quote by: macnpat Who kept records of girls from the ages of 12 and up who sought illegal abortions, whether they lived or died by going home to hemmorage to death in their own beds? How many families of women who died of botched up back-ally abortions proudly announced the true cause of death in Americas obituary columns. |
If no one kept the records of those girls, how is it that the pro choice movement (and only the pro choice movement) seems to know so much about them. Where they got their abortions, what sort of complications they suffered, and how many of them died. If, as you say, there are no records, then it is self evident that your reference to them is a fiction, a fabrication, banana oil, an improvisation, a prevarication, a concoction, a myth, a terminological inexactitude..in short...a lie.
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Quote by: macnpat I am beginning to see that you simply do not know much about this subject. |
I, and anyone who cares to look, have already seen that what you "know" of this subject is either made up by you, or those who feed you your talking points. It certainly doesn't reflect any real knowledge of human developmental biology, or the law.
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Quote by: macnpat Why don't you list what an adult Male can and cannot do to his own body. And you will note I said "to" and not "with".
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Interesting language trick. Do to vs do with but there really isn't any difference. If you cut off your left finger with a blade held in your right hand it is simply something that you have done to your left finger and you have done it with your right hand. So you have both done something to yourself and done something with yourself. Just depends on how you want to say it. Either way, you are minus a finger on your left hand.
Consider killing another human being. If you tear that human being limb from limb and terminate his life, you have both done to that human and done that with that human. Either way you say it, another human has been killed by being torn limb from limb. You know that you are in a very weak position when you have to start playing silly word games in an attempt to protect the point that you are trying to make.
This list of things that restrict what can be done to / with our bodies applies to male and female.
They can not pollute their bodies with illegal drugs.
They can legally not hurl thier bodies off tall buildings or subject their heads to self inflicted gunshot wounds.
In most locations they can not engage their bodies in the practice of prostitution.
We can not subject our bodies to riding in private automobiles without having them buckled into seatbelts.
The list goes on and on but it is completely irrelavent to this discussion since the woman is not aborting her body, or any part of her body. She is terminating the life of another human being. That is the biggest lie of all. The lie that an abortion is nothing but something that the woman does to her own body.