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AGN Fuel · Feb 19, 2004, 12:27 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sassi,)

I have just finished watching a TV programme where they showed pictures of the "man walking on the moon"... and I looked up my OWN little picture of that and found that what they were saying isi n fact correct. The pictures that were taken, have little crosses marked on them in certain places. Now, these crosses should appear IN FRONT of the actual image itself.. however, in about three different photo's there seems to be a jumble of these crosses that actually appear behind the image, suggesting that the images are fake.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Hi Sassi,

The crosses in the photographs are called fiducials and were primarily used for measurement purposes. They were very thin (0.02mm) marks etched into a glass plate placed in front of the film in the camera. However, whenever a photographic emulsion is overexposed, it has a tendency to 'bleed'. Sometimes this bleeding may obscure the very thin fiducial. Look at your photo again - has the fiducial that appears to go 'behind' an object been photographed against a light background? If you want to demonstrate this effect for yourself, tie a shoelace across a piece of white cardboard and photograph it at longer & longer exposure times. You will make it disappear!

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Also.. I know from my own studies that space is a dangerous place, and that well.. it is near impossible for any man made object to get through the "sky" - so to speak-... I mean, even ROCKs cannot get throughour sky without falling to peices <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Space is a dangerous place. But I'm afraid that you are not correct when you say it is near impossible for any man-made object to get through the 'sky'. At present, there are over two thousand satellites & other man-made objects in Earth orbit, plus a few dozen probes that have roamed or are roaming the solar system! The Apollo spacecraft was specifically designed to land a man on the moon. To that end, it was successful.

Also, rocks can get through the sky without falling to pieces - they are called meteorites. A big one can ruin your whole day!

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
, and it is obvious that there is something amiss here, cuz... they have got someone on the moon once... why can't they do it again? I think that everything surrounding that is just a little off center and... <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

The task of landing a man on the moon was primarily driven due to the political capital that could be made from the achievement. Once done, although the scientists would have strongly urged that the exploration continue, the politicians had gained their policial 'coup' and chose not to continue funding to the project. The tools, buildings, equiptment etc that had been purpose built for Apollo was dismounted or abandoned. Now that there is an interest to return, we will not use the same technology that was developed nearly 40 years ago (although we will draw heavily on the experience gained then, of course!)

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Could someone have a look at this, cuz from my point of view, I think the whole thing is a bit of a SHAM. I guess, that's governments for you though. :) xoxo<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Believe me, we did manage to go to the moon and the feat should be celebrated as one of the finest achievements of our normally dismal & ignoble species. The evidence in favour of the success of Apollo is overwhelming:
- The Scale: Apollo at it's height employed over 500,000 people in 20,000 companies. These people were trained technicians, engineers & scientists - not people who are easily duped.
- Rocks: The Apollo astronauts returned 380 kilograms of rock & soil samples. These display characteristics that are impossible to have faked.
- LRRR: The Lunar Retro Ranging Reflectors were left by 3 of the Apollo missions and are used to this day to measure the Earth/Moon distance to around a centimetre!
- The Russians: The race to the moon was intense and at the height of the Cold War, the emnity between Russia & the US was at a peak. The Russians were amply able to determine whether Apollo was a hoax and would have raised the roof if they suspected anything was amiss. They did not - in fact, they publicly congratulated the US on their success.
- The launches: Millions of people watched the launches & hundreds of millions saw the spacecraft during it's parking orbit before the trans-lunar burn. That the spacecraft was launched is unarguable.
- Tracking: This is a stone-cold showstopper. The Apollo missions were tracked to & from the moon by nationals in countries around the world. Ham radio operators also monitored transmissions for hours on end - impossible if the craft was kept in Low Earth Orbit as has been argued.
- The Astronauts: At the end of the day, we have the eyewitness testimony of the astronauts themselves, together with some 32,000 photographs and many hours of TV & film footage that they took. They conducted experiments, the results of which were analysed by scientists around the world.

Sassi, the arguments put forward by the hoax believers have been proven wrong time and time again. Typically, those who propose Apollo was hoaxed are either trying to sell you a book or video, or else they have a rabid distrust of 'the Government'.

I am an Australian citizen. I have studied the Apollo Project for years, having grown up through that era, and it remains an interest of mine although I work in an unrelated field. I am not associated with the US (or the Australian for that matter) government in any way, shape or form. I am most assuredly not a NASA 'disinformation agent', whatever in Heaven's name that is supposed to be. Hopefully, this helps explain some of your questions, but please - if you have any other questions at all, please post them. Clear skies.

Feb 19, 2004, 12:27 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
AGN Fuel Sedimentary Rock Posts: 1	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sassi,) I have just finished watching a TV programme where they showed pictures of the "man walking on the moon"... and I looked up my OWN little picture of that and found that what they were saying isi n fact correct. The pictures that were taken, have little crosses marked on them in certain places. Now, these crosses should appear IN FRONT of the actual image itself.. however, in about three different photo's there seems to be a jumble of these crosses that actually appear behind the image, suggesting that the images are fake.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Hi Sassi, The crosses in the photographs are called fiducials and were primarily used for measurement purposes. They were very thin (0.02mm) marks etched into a glass plate placed in front of the film in the camera. However, whenever a photographic emulsion is overexposed, it has a tendency to 'bleed'. Sometimes this bleeding may obscure the very thin fiducial. Look at your photo again - has the fiducial that appears to go 'behind' an object been photographed against a light background? If you want to demonstrate this effect for yourself, tie a shoelace across a piece of white cardboard and photograph it at longer & longer exposure times. You will make it disappear! </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Also.. I know from my own studies that space is a dangerous place, and that well.. it is near impossible for any man made object to get through the "sky" - so to speak-... I mean, even ROCKs cannot get throughour sky without falling to peices <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Space is a dangerous place. But I'm afraid that you are not correct when you say it is near impossible for any man-made object to get through the 'sky'. At present, there are over two thousand satellites & other man-made objects in Earth orbit, plus a few dozen probes that have roamed or are roaming the solar system! The Apollo spacecraft was specifically designed to land a man on the moon. To that end, it was successful. Also, rocks can get through the sky without falling to pieces - they are called meteorites. A big one can ruin your whole day! </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by , and it is obvious that there is something amiss here, cuz... they have got someone on the moon once... why can't they do it again? I think that everything surrounding that is just a little off center and... <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> The task of landing a man on the moon was primarily driven due to the political capital that could be made from the achievement. Once done, although the scientists would have strongly urged that the exploration continue, the politicians had gained their policial 'coup' and chose not to continue funding to the project. The tools, buildings, equiptment etc that had been purpose built for Apollo was dismounted or abandoned. Now that there is an interest to return, we will not use the same technology that was developed nearly 40 years ago (although we will draw heavily on the experience gained then, of course!) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Could someone have a look at this, cuz from my point of view, I think the whole thing is a bit of a SHAM. I guess, that's governments for you though. :) xoxo<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Believe me, we did manage to go to the moon and the feat should be celebrated as one of the finest achievements of our normally dismal & ignoble species. The evidence in favour of the success of Apollo is overwhelming: - The Scale: Apollo at it's height employed over 500,000 people in 20,000 companies. These people were trained technicians, engineers & scientists - not people who are easily duped. - Rocks: The Apollo astronauts returned 380 kilograms of rock & soil samples. These display characteristics that are impossible to have faked. - LRRR: The Lunar Retro Ranging Reflectors were left by 3 of the Apollo missions and are used to this day to measure the Earth/Moon distance to around a centimetre! - The Russians: The race to the moon was intense and at the height of the Cold War, the emnity between Russia & the US was at a peak. The Russians were amply able to determine whether Apollo was a hoax and would have raised the roof if they suspected anything was amiss. They did not - in fact, they publicly congratulated the US on their success. - The launches: Millions of people watched the launches & hundreds of millions saw the spacecraft during it's parking orbit before the trans-lunar burn. That the spacecraft was launched is unarguable. - Tracking: This is a stone-cold showstopper. The Apollo missions were tracked to & from the moon by nationals in countries around the world. Ham radio operators also monitored transmissions for hours on end - impossible if the craft was kept in Low Earth Orbit as has been argued. - The Astronauts: At the end of the day, we have the eyewitness testimony of the astronauts themselves, together with some 32,000 photographs and many hours of TV & film footage that they took. They conducted experiments, the results of which were analysed by scientists around the world. Sassi, the arguments put forward by the hoax believers have been proven wrong time and time again. Typically, those who propose Apollo was hoaxed are either trying to sell you a book or video, or else they have a rabid distrust of 'the Government'. I am an Australian citizen. I have studied the Apollo Project for years, having grown up through that era, and it remains an interest of mine although I work in an unrelated field. I am not associated with the US (or the Australian for that matter) government in any way, shape or form. I am most assuredly not a NASA 'disinformation agent', whatever in Heaven's name that is supposed to be. Hopefully, this helps explain some of your questions, but please - if you have any other questions at all, please post them. Clear skies.