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Quote by: rmnunez A critical lefty's wet dream; apologetic Bush telling the UN General Assembly how sorry he is for intervening in Iraq and begging them to take over the mess he created.

Someone should at least apologize for the days of old when we supported Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq. But whether anyone apologizes or not, the White House still acts sort of like a Mafia.

Quote by: rmnunez Its not going to happen, the UN couldn't muster a credible force and force is needed to deal with the insurgency.

Nor should it be the job of the UN to deal with the insurgency. My personaly view is that the UN should only exist as an international foum, if it is to exist at all.

Quote by: rmnunez Pullout now is impossible, they'll have to stick it out until things stabilize a bit more.

If things stabilize a bit more we'll probably stay there anyway.
That's the thing about the military...it really can't lose, even if it is still losing. If the insurgency gets worse, we'll stay to fight, if things get better, we'll stay there anyway and take as much credit as possible for when things improve.
It's really amazing, if you think about it. Go to a country, wreck it and then take credit for when some things start getting back to normal.

Quote by: rmnunez Things will be stable enough when the retrained Iraqi military is capable of keeping insurgent activity down at a level that allows reconstruction efforts to proceed adequately.

Pretending the movements are very likely to die down soon, what does it mean to "proceed adequately," in your view?

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