[Starboy]

Quote by: Prometheus I fail to understand your justification for statements like that that you pepper this forum with. The floor is yous Starboy, please, as succinctly as possible, answer the following question: Why are all Christians liars?

It is not just Christians but most supernaturalists. The Muslim is no different than the Jew or the Hindu. I have been over this before. You can refer to this thread:

Supernatural religion and dishonesty....

Here is the OP:

Quote by: Starboy Nobody likes to be called dishonest but if someone is being dishonest either knowingly or unknowingly, then they should expect to hear it and the supernatural religious have been dishonest. Here goes: 1. Reality claims Let's face it. The supernatural religious claim that they have a special take on reality. They also claim that they have a special way to know this reality called revelation. For many these claims are in direct contradiction with the discoveries of science. For Catholics, the pope has dealt with this conflict by proclaiming separate magesterium. There is the book of god and the book of nature and both were supposedly written by god, But make no mistake, the pope can make authoritative statements about anything in reality and religion however by order of the pope science has no authority to make statements about the purported reality claimed by the pope. But this position by the pope is just a double standard. Then there are other religions that require that their holy writings be taken verbatim and that anything science has to say about reality is just wrong. All of this is possible because the religious are trained to believe in realities that do not have to be real (a self deception and a lie if there ever was one.) 2. Faith - the institutionalized double standard This has got to be the most insidious aspect of supernatural religion. This one thing alone makes all supernaturalists liars. This is what faith essentially does. It allows the faithful to apply a different standard of acceptance to one set of claims verses another. They accept their own supernatural religious claims using faith but reject the supernatural claims of other religions because there is no evidence to accept those claims. The funny thing about it is that there is just as much evidence to support their claims as there is to support the claims of supernatural religions that they reject. If one set of evidence is good enough for one supernatural religion then it is good for all. Either accept all supernatural religions or accept none. That is the only honest position to take. 3. Truth mongering This tactic relies on a common semantic confusion, the confusion of "truth" and reality. If they claim something is "true" then they imply that it must be real however they will not subject their claims to the same methods that any other reality claim would be subjected, in other words, their claims are not subject to the requirement of evidence of even a common court case let alone a scientific investigation. This is a deliberate tactic on their part and when pressed on the matter they will then try to claim that their "truth" is a higher "truth" and is not subject to the constraints of reality. 4. Fraud and the offer you can't refuse Then there are outright frauds. The ones that present you with the offer from the godfather, the offer you can't refuse, "Believe in me and I will see that you get rewards in the after life, all you gotta do is do what the godfather wants. But if yous don't do what da godfather wants then it will be hell to pay." Hello! Nobody knows if there is an afterlife. If there is one, no one has lived to tell the tale. What a sweet fraud. Tell people they will get their payoff or punishment in a place that no one can verify even exits. It is essentially the fraud known as “Selling a bill of goods”, because that is all the religious have is the bill of goods; they cannot demonstrate that they have the actual goods themselves. The fact that they are promising to deliver the goods after you are dead only adds to the absurdity of the fraud. If this kind of thing were perpetrated by any business like say Enron, the executives would be facing jail time but because it is supernatural religion they not only get a pass but they are praised in society. These people should be locked up and the key should be thrown away. 5. Lies, lies and more lies about almost everything Then there is just the constant drone of lies and nonsense from the religious about everything, such as morals coming from god, god could only be good, the universe was created just for us, the constitution is based on the bible and on and on and on... It makes me wonder if you must be a moron to be religious. 6. Presumption of exclusivity This is not only dishonest but it is dangerous for all of us. All supernatural religions claim that they are the only way that people should live. That their supernatural god is the source of everything and that everything from that god pre-empts anything of man. This is the sort of thing that our president subscribes to. The law of his god overrules the constitution. Be afraid. Be very afraid. 7. And much, much more – The religious prey on the young when they are unable to critically examine their outrageous claims. The religious ask that insane acts done in the name of their religion be excused where as if an act of religion performed in the name of a religion they do not believe in is done then they are all for applying the maximum punishment under the law. In other words if a mother bashes her kids heads in because god told her to then she is insane, but if Bush runs for the presidency because god told him that he wants him to be president then Bush is still sane. Hello! Is it possible for supernatural theists to think at all? I don’t think so. Starboy

Starboy