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Read the quote. I am not insisting on anything. I am stating an opinion of what I think. Here is another of those ad hominems you get your bowls in an uproar over:
Remeber opinions? They are those things people are alowed to state in free societies. And yes I do recognize your right to beat them down for it because they do not fit your view. You, in fact, seem to make a hobby of it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
How bizarre. Nothing I stated even hints at what you are railing against. No where did I suggest in the slightest that opinions are verboten, nor have I ever beat any down. I have responded to claims about reality, to requirements of specific suggested schema, and have noted the logical fallacies that abound in your arguments. There is no element of bias in this as you so dishonestly suggest, but rather a consistent appeal to reason and reality rather than baseless assertions.
Contrary to your protestations, your schema necessitated all that I noted, but rather than address that fact you once again made false accusations about me and then took off on a completely false and unrelated rant. By all means have your opinions.. I celebrate in such freedom of conscious. But understand that when you state something about reality, it can be verified by checking with reality. When the two do not match, there is no need to shoot the messenger, or to deny reality.
EDIT: To clear up what appears to be a confusion: the notion of what constitutes an ad hominem did not originate with me, nor do I determine what constitutes one. Here is a description of ad hominem that does not come from me at all:
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Originally Posted by Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."
An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting).<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
and from the etiquette section of this forum: </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />
Originally Posted by Highlight your opinions
This is important. All too often people state their opinion in such an absolute manner that it’s seen as fact rather than opinion. I know this is basic, but it’s the cause of most of the personal issues anywhere. Try to be considerate of your audience and remind them that it’s just your opinion.
No Ad Homonym's
If I were to say, "you are a moron, therefore your views are wrong", that would be an ad hominem. Ad hominem is a logical fallacy. It doesn't help arguments, and it's not tolerated. Other forms of personal attacks should also be reported-just use the 'report' button within the suspected post.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>