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m5lange1 · Feb 15, 2004, 07:10 pm

Thanks Justin that ws refreshing.

Edit: HAHA I started this one just after I read Justin's post. It in no way reflects anything posted during the time I was typing. Sorry I am so pokey.

Lightberer.....
You don't think my responses were reasonable? I am not surprised. I respoded out of courtesy trying to answer your questions as honestly as I could.

My suspicions were that even if I gave answers you liked you would have stayed up till the wee hours thinking about sone way to claim that I sidestepped your "obvious and simple" questions.

I did not answer ones that made accusations I do not understand.

From your last post....
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
BTW the question avoided was: "Out of curiosity, would you thank the propagandaists of a facists, or socialist regime for "teaching" your children that one group is better or more deserving than another?"<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

The answer to just that is NO

The part I did not understand was
From your previous post where the question was originally posted
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Out of curiosity, would you thank the propagandaists of a facists, or socialist regime for "teaching" your children that one group is better or more deserving than another? If not, which I assume you would not, then why thank those here playing the exact same role?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

The part I did not understand was the second part
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
If not, which I assume you would not, then why thank those here playing the exact same role?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I asked for examples and received none so I cannot answer.

In response to....
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Given that most "teachers" in the US are employed by the government, and undertake tasks other than education, I would take issue with the claim that "they" are people who are taking on an important, necessary, or difficult task.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
I posted...
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
At my school they have playground duty... they have to watch the halls and do some discipinary activities occasionally. They attend PTA meetigns and occasionally have a pizza party or something as a class reward. I am trying to think of what tasks I see them undertake that are not educational. Guess I need an example or two.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
from you
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
You claim that you do not see the propagandizing of government in the government schools. What of the voting rhetoric? What of the approval list of "Acceptable" books? Have you ever opened an accepted history text in government schools?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Are these the examples? That they have "acceptable book lists" I thought you said you taught for a while. You think non-public schools do not have acceptable book lists? Yea I have opened histroy books both in and out of school. Yea they all give a view of history. Yea some vary. Sorry but where is the propaganda? Are you a revisionist. That is a whole different thread.

I asked what you do...
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
I have been an instructor in one of the nations largest universities, so I have walked a mile in those shoes.. Currently I do in fact help others but quite frankly my profession is irrelevent. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Why am I not surprised? It is alwyas hard for armchair critics to defend.

For someone who becomes irate when thier queries are not responded to, you sure can ignore someone elses.

The sarcasm I mentioned in my earlier post was not regarding any of your posts. You are much to aggressive for anything as subtle as sarcasm. I was reffering to a post of my own that was totaly done in a sarcastic tone (deliberately). When I said "all sarcasm aside..." I meant my comming post would be in a more serious vein than my previous.

Since it appears to me that you think most things I post MUST relate to you and what you have said, and it evidently angers you that I am not just dazzled into submission by your stunning and irrefutbable logic. Why have you only
responded to my direct response to your questions? Why have you not addressed any of the things I have stated are my concerns?

Who are these wise citizens that are going to help with the millions you displace???
What do you want to do for the children without access to adults that are willing and able to teach???
When are you going to do this???
Where is your alternative plan????
Why not respond to the harm in constatnly telling person or profession that they are worthless so often that the prophesy self fulfills?

As I suspected we are so far apart in our beliefs that we view reality differently.

Dont bother to answer. I hope the remaining quotes help you to understand why I plan to skim any of your responses with the same lack of care you seem to have skimmed mine.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
I do no hold onto positions for nonsensical reasons such as emotion or false pride.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
No sir you are no crusader. You are an armchar complainer. Destructive rehtoric and the old "well anything is better than that" argument when pressed.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Drug dealers and pimps are more honest<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
It is the destruction of this system that would bring joy to anyone who loves knowledge, education, children, and peace.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
If firemen failed as miserably as government "teachers" routinely do, then they too would be criticized for failing to meet basic minimal standards, in other words they would be "bashed" as you call it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I like this one....
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
If you do not like the criticisms of the failings of the government "teachers" then change the system, change those individuals so that the failings which are being noted and criticized are no longer there.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
NO SIR!!!!! YOU CHANGE IT!!!! You are the one with the big axe to grind. I will continue trying to improve it realistically and support progress toward better ideas.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
One of the problems of the government controlled and mandated "education" is that parents are not allowed alternatives, such as allowing grandparents, neighbors, retired professional instructors, etc to teach their children.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
What have you been reading (smoking?)? The schools I work in actually help organize grandparents, neighbors, retired professional instructors etc. to teach children. There are programs in place in Public Schools to support this kind of thing. In your state do they really not allow these people to teach children? If so it is not due to any fedreal prohibition.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
When was the last time you saw a reasonable presentation of any situation in which the US government was involved?
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
I assume you NEVER have.... ever.... hmmm well this one last time I will respond to you....
The response following 911 was reasonable and efficient. I was in Arizona during the fires last summer and the government handeling of the situation was great. I have lived through a few floods on the Mississippi and have always been impressed with the government's aid and response. I thought they handled WWII and Korea pretty well. I think the police departments to a damned fine job considering the enormity of their task for the size of their force. I think our military is a fine presentaion of success (not condoning the wars, just the reasonable presetation of ability).

OK I have now walked a mile in these shoes and have attended to and responded to your posts WAY more than you have to mine. Don't bear the light for me anymore please. I have my own thanks.

M5

Feb 15, 2004, 07:10 pm	#41 (permalink) (top)
m5lange1 Igneous Magma Posts: 649	Thanks Justin that ws refreshing. Edit: HAHA I started this one just after I read Justin's post. It in no way reflects anything posted during the time I was typing. Sorry I am so pokey. Lightberer..... You don't think my responses were reasonable? I am not surprised. I respoded out of courtesy trying to answer your questions as honestly as I could. My suspicions were that even if I gave answers you liked you would have stayed up till the wee hours thinking about sone way to claim that I sidestepped your "obvious and simple" questions. I did not answer ones that made accusations I do not understand. From your last post.... </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by BTW the question avoided was: "Out of curiosity, would you thank the propagandaists of a facists, or socialist regime for "teaching" your children that one group is better or more deserving than another?"<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> The answer to just that is NO The part I did not understand was From your previous post where the question was originally posted </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Out of curiosity, would you thank the propagandaists of a facists, or socialist regime for "teaching" your children that one group is better or more deserving than another? If not, which I assume you would not, then why thank those here playing the exact same role?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> The part I did not understand was the second part </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by If not, which I assume you would not, then why thank those here playing the exact same role?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I asked for examples and received none so I cannot answer. In response to.... </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Given that most "teachers" in the US are employed by the government, and undertake tasks other than education, I would take issue with the claim that "they" are people who are taking on an important, necessary, or difficult task.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I posted... </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by At my school they have playground duty... they have to watch the halls and do some discipinary activities occasionally. They attend PTA meetigns and occasionally have a pizza party or something as a class reward. I am trying to think of what tasks I see them undertake that are not educational. Guess I need an example or two.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> from you </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by You claim that you do not see the propagandizing of government in the government schools. What of the voting rhetoric? What of the approval list of "Acceptable" books? Have you ever opened an accepted history text in government schools?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Are these the examples? That they have "acceptable book lists" I thought you said you taught for a while. You think non-public schools do not have acceptable book lists? Yea I have opened histroy books both in and out of school. Yea they all give a view of history. Yea some vary. Sorry but where is the propaganda? Are you a revisionist. That is a whole different thread. I asked what you do... </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by I have been an instructor in one of the nations largest universities, so I have walked a mile in those shoes.. Currently I do in fact help others but quite frankly my profession is irrelevent. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Why am I not surprised? It is alwyas hard for armchair critics to defend. For someone who becomes irate when thier queries are not responded to, you sure can ignore someone elses. The sarcasm I mentioned in my earlier post was not regarding any of your posts. You are much to aggressive for anything as subtle as sarcasm. I was reffering to a post of my own that was totaly done in a sarcastic tone (deliberately). When I said "all sarcasm aside..." I meant my comming post would be in a more serious vein than my previous. Since it appears to me that you think most things I post MUST relate to you and what you have said, and it evidently angers you that I am not just dazzled into submission by your stunning and irrefutbable logic. Why have you only responded to my direct response to your questions? Why have you not addressed any of the things I have stated are my concerns? Who are these wise citizens that are going to help with the millions you displace??? What do you want to do for the children without access to adults that are willing and able to teach??? When are you going to do this??? Where is your alternative plan???? Why not respond to the harm in constatnly telling person or profession that they are worthless so often that the prophesy self fulfills? As I suspected we are so far apart in our beliefs that we view reality differently. Dont bother to answer. I hope the remaining quotes help you to understand why I plan to skim any of your responses with the same lack of care you seem to have skimmed mine. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by I do no hold onto positions for nonsensical reasons such as emotion or false pride.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> No sir you are no crusader. You are an armchar complainer. Destructive rehtoric and the old "well anything is better than that" argument when pressed. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Drug dealers and pimps are more honest<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by It is the destruction of this system that would bring joy to anyone who loves knowledge, education, children, and peace.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by If firemen failed as miserably as government "teachers" routinely do, then they too would be criticized for failing to meet basic minimal standards, in other words they would be "bashed" as you call it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I like this one.... </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by If you do not like the criticisms of the failings of the government "teachers" then change the system, change those individuals so that the failings which are being noted and criticized are no longer there.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> NO SIR!!!!! YOU CHANGE IT!!!! You are the one with the big axe to grind. I will continue trying to improve it realistically and support progress toward better ideas. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by One of the problems of the government controlled and mandated "education" is that parents are not allowed alternatives, such as allowing grandparents, neighbors, retired professional instructors, etc to teach their children.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> What have you been reading (smoking?)? The schools I work in actually help organize grandparents, neighbors, retired professional instructors etc. to teach children. There are programs in place in Public Schools to support this kind of thing. In your state do they really not allow these people to teach children? If so it is not due to any fedreal prohibition. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by When was the last time you saw a reasonable presentation of any situation in which the US government was involved? <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I assume you NEVER have.... ever.... hmmm well this one last time I will respond to you.... The response following 911 was reasonable and efficient. I was in Arizona during the fires last summer and the government handeling of the situation was great. I have lived through a few floods on the Mississippi and have always been impressed with the government's aid and response. I thought they handled WWII and Korea pretty well. I think the police departments to a damned fine job considering the enormity of their task for the size of their force. I think our military is a fine presentaion of success (not condoning the wars, just the reasonable presetation of ability). OK I have now walked a mile in these shoes and have attended to and responded to your posts WAY more than you have to mine. Don't bear the light for me anymore please. I have my own thanks. M5 Protester against the culture war!!!!