[shunyadragon]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (bugsbunny04,)
The reason people assume that science and the bible can't coexist, is the same reason that people think mary had to be a virgin (no, just a young woman, not already pregnant) and that God is called Jehovah (no, the word is Yahweh), and that the commandment sais thou shalt not kill(no, it sais do no murder) . If you translate from a translation, and screw up doing it from a translation that was already screwed up on, you are going to distort things, including numbers and time relationships. God did not create the heavens and the earth on the first day, he did it in the first eon, the second day he created...? No, the second eon. You get the picture? This is what you get if you translate directly from old hebrew to english, accurately.

Another point: The universe had to have been created by a supreme being. Ever look at the periodic table? Seven periods of elements. 118 elements could exist theoretically (113,115,117 have not actually been manufactured yet to my knowledge but I'm sure some bored bastard is working on it). 92 occure natually. Yeah, you guessed it, 210 is a divisible of seven. Number of f-block families you would have if they were where they arguably should? 14, divisible by seven. Number A groups that have unstable outer energy levels (this means A groups excluding Noble gases, or more to the point, groups whose members are very reactive because of the number of valence electrons) yessiree they sure is seven of them. I'm not mentioning the number seven because of its proported divinity, but because of its repetition. How could something that organized (I'm refering to chemistry in general here) be a random occurance?

Another point: Ever look at properties and states of matter and energy relationships in SI units? Do you really think that such relationships (I'm refering to chemistry in general) could be a random occurance?

Ok, lets talk astronomy. Yeah, I'm sure constellations are a random occurance too. Yeah, right. c= 3.00 x 10^8 m/s for no particular reason? And the H in a star fusing to form He and emitt huge amounts of energy does all this at a controlled rate instead of exploding all at once for no particular reason. Sure it does.

How can a scientist who knows anything about odds not believe in God?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

The answer is simple. They can. The agnostic and atheist scientists are very comfortable with an existence that exists without a God or Gods. The underlieing universal laws determine the events in the history of what we know as the universe. They view existence as the natural unfolding of universe(s) based on these laws. The recent Scientific American had a good article on the modern view of multiple universes and the view of the greater existence beyond our universe.

I would ask the same sort of questions of Christians, Jews, Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists and whatever as to why they still believe in the narrow view of salvation, the world and relationships with the divine based on what we know now in the universe? Why can't the different religions and beliefs coexist in a better more harmonious relatinship? The semantics of translation of ancient scripture from all religions presents the same problems. The religions in the past formed around beliefs and knowledge of a much more narrower view of existence. Many people still cling to this narrow view and thus you have divisions and conflicts between the religions and faiths of the world and those that believe in no faith that you describe.

My arguement for a source that there is a God or Gods is the nature of what is the nature of the infinite existence beyond the existence we can perceive as our physical existence. There is also an underlieing spiritual relationship between the religions in history that cannot easily be explained in the absence of a guiding source. This cyclic evolution of humanity can be extrapolated through out what we see as the cyclic evolution of the universe(s).