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Quote by: syracusa I am now pregnant and couldn't be happier.Of course, this is very much a wanted baby, planned at the right time, under the right circumstances. Yes, not only a very "convenient" baby, but one that we hope will bring us lots of joy so we can feed it back to him/her and have everyone else live happily ever after! Like it is SUPPOSED TO BE. I am also willing to go through anything to have him/her - because I am prepared for it and it is MY CHOICE. |
Incredible that you can't see it. The blatant hypocricy. You claim to be pregnant and happy about it. Yours is a BABY, as if the fact that you wan't it makes it something different from what it would be if you didn't want it. When you don't want a piece of cheesecake, does it become liver and onions by virtue of you not wanting it? The fact that these are the right circumstances for you and your partner in no way makes your child more human than it would be if you didn't want it. You hope that your child will bring joy to you. Well the 40 million children that have been killed were just as capable of bringing joy as the one you carry now.
Your fairy tale notion of living happily ever after is exactly that. We don't live fairy tales. We all struggle, we all have less than perfectly happy lives. Killing an innocent because it might not always be happy is beyond my understanding because none of us is always happy.
And you are willing to go through anything to have "HIM / HER" (another admission that you know in your heart what you carry but can not admit when arguing your position). You know in your heart that the child you carry is human, and alive. Just as human and alive as you.
And you know that when you hold it, you will be holding a precious life that was created by you and your partner. And when you first look into its beautiful face, (because they are all beautiful, even when they are covered in blood and goo) and see its profound innocence, and the unconditional trust that it gives you, take just a moment to consider the 40 million others JUST LIKE YOURS that have been casually tossed into a dumpster after being torn limb from limb from thier mother's bodies as a result of your dogma.
In fact, as it grows, and brings you more happiness than you believe that you deserve, take the occasional moment to cry for the 40 million JUST LIKE YOURS who were killed because they were not convenient. And perhaps, in that emotional catharsis, you will realize how wrong the position that you have held is. Perhaps the love that you have for your own child, and the realization that it is in no way different from all the ones that have been killed will be powerful enough to help you finally admit the truth to yourself, and perhaps admit it to others as well.
If I have been unduly harsh, for that I apologize. But this is serious business to me. If I have to hurt your feelings in order to get my point across to you, or someone who may read my words, then your discomfort is a small price to pay to save a life. A life that is just as precious as the one that you are carrying right now. If you are pregnant, you will know what I am talking about when you first look into your child's face. Even if it has (God forbid) some imperfection, or defect that your doctor could not have predicted. You will love it no matter what, and it is no different from all the ones that have been murdered.
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Quote by: syracusa Oh, yeah - aren't you so proud of yourself? "You won"... what can I say. At this point, if I were you, I would be ashamed of myself to continue with the non-sense and the waste of time. Or do you love to hear yourself write?
I can assure you that you managed nothing but to convinvce yourself of your own righteousness (which is nowhere where you think it is, other than in your head). |
Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what parts of my posts were not true. I am not dishonest and would never want to post information that was not true. So please, what have I written that is not scientifically accurate? Unless you believe that accurate science and truth are a waste of time.
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Quote by: syracusa The REALITY REMAINS that you have no way to interfere with what happens inside my body. Not only because I have a LAW that currently backs me up and which I will always fight to uphold - but even if you manged to pass a law to FORCE ME to do things your way, you would still not be able to stop me from deciding what and when is going to grow inside my own body. |
Personally, no. I can't intefere with what you do with your body. But that is where most of you folks miss the bus anyway. You make it personal so that you can get all emotional and spew your self righteous rant. I can't personaly intefere with you if you take drugs, or practice prostitution, or any of the other myriad of laws that tell you what you may or may not do with your body. But I can support them, just as I support making abortion illegal. And when Roe falls, if you choose to believe that I personally, by force of my arguments, have made it happen, go ahead and believe it. Of course it won't be true, but obviously, you don't have much trouble believing untruth right now, so nothing changes.
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Quote by: syracusa Trust me: I would find a way to have that abortion, with or without your approval, with or without a law backing me up. |
Just like junkies find a way to get that fix. It is still wrong, it is still unhealthy, and it is still illegal. Turning a blind eye to bad things just because someone is going to do them anyway is as bad as the behavior itself. But the truth is that if it is illegal, MOST women won't have abortions.
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Quote by: syracusa In the face of this reality, your lofty dogma has just crumbled into pieces. It remains just this: A DOGMA and you remain a sucker who just spent ...how long?...writing on a board to convince himself of his own righteousness. |
As I have already demonstrated, your side is dogma as it can not be defended, yet you believe it to be true. Unilatarally redefining the word for your purposes indicates that either you don't know what the word means, or that you, yet again, are willing to lie in order to hold your position. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and grant you ignorance.
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Quote by: syracusa By the way, do you have anything against emotional women? (Yeap, when it is about my own body, I reserve the right to be emotional and proud of it).
I have something against dogmatic, rigid, inflexible, unemotional men, in love with their own "infallible" minds.
For now, the law supports the "emotional woman". Go give yourself a pet on the back and find some peace. |
Only when that emotion gets in the way of clear thinking. Like BEFORE they get pregnant. Emotion is fine, but it is no substitute for clear, objective thinking. And if you must continue to use the word dogma, take the time to look it up so that you can at least use it in the proper context.
Here are some accurate definitions for you:
Dogma:
-n. - an inflexible principle or set of principles laid down by an authority.
Clearly the principle of legal abortion was laid down by the supreme court; authority
- n. -A doctrine or code of beliefs accepted as authoritative
Did you not point out that your "dogma" is the law of the land right now?
- n. - A doctrinal notion asserted without regard to evidence or truth
I have given you honest, accurate science that disproves your position, yet you hold it anyway. Dogma. I am right and have science to prove it, you are wrong and have science to prove it, yet you hold your belief anyway. And you claim I am dogmatic. What a laugh.