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Old Mar 29, 2005, 01:28 am   #4 (permalink) (top)
LogicaLunatic
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Terminology isn't the issue here! You must believe that the rock will fall. To think the rock will fall is only that the assumption that your belief is correct. Your faith in the assumption that the rock will fall may be 100%, but this is still a belief that gravity will cause the rock to fall that requires faith.
You're right, terminology isn't the issue but we should at least agree to call apples apples and oranges oranges. Do I need to believe that a rock will fall? No, I've seen it happen. Do I believe rocks fall? No, I think they do. It's a slight difference but it IS a difference. Based upon previous experience I come to the conclusion that the rock will fall. I'm basically Remembering the Future. A conclusion is not a belief. We come to conclusions every day about thousands of things. For example, I concluded that the previous sentence should be included in this reply. Do I have to invoke belief for that? No.

Commonly, belief is something that's required when there is little evidence to support something. As In, "You do believe me, don't you?" I don't need or use belief in any part of my life. Everything is merely a conclusion that could easily be wrong. There are conclusions that I want, sometimes desparately, to be true, but there are only that, conclusions.

Not all conclusions are beliefs, but all beliefs are conclusions.

Faith is a belief taken to the EXTREME where there is NO evidence to support the idea in question. Faith can only lead to trouble which is why I say that faith isn't moral.

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I suggest you read up on hyperspatial energy flux zero point energy .and how it could relate to the creation of the universe. This theory was first espoused in the spring of 2004.
Espoused or published? If published, where?

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we are alive and self aware by the grace of God. It is our destiny to learn from this vast information processor we call the universe. Perhaps If we come to this wonderful and truly infinitely perplexing question as a child might, that is, with a open mind free of ego , we may have a pittance of a chance to discover why we are here, and what our true destiny is.
In my experience, a child left to his or her own wonderings will not discover your god until it is inserted there by a trusted adult. In fact, almost everything a trusted adult pumps into a child's head usually gets stuck there. Given that I'd have to say it isn't wise at all to approach questions of this magnitude like a child would. Children believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny and Monsters under their beds. Forgive me if I'd rather not base my beliefs on what may develop in a child's mind.

And dropping my Ego is exactly what led me down the path to Atheism. I realized that humans DON'T hold a special place in the universe created by a God that will take US up to heaven with him. Atheism is the antithesis of Ego and Self Centeredness.

I know why I'm here. My destiny is being fulfilled as I type. I'm a daddy.


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