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Quote by: ”star boy” We are not talking about the anatomy of the egg. We are talking about the distinction that all people make between the inputs and the outputs after they have been processed. That just because two results have the same input does not make them the same or the same as the inputs. If you believe that then I would like to sell you a shipping pallet and charge you the same price as a house because they are both made of wood so therefore they are the same.

I believe that you even lost yourself on that one…of course we are not discussing the anatomy of an egg…we have established, however, that if it is fertilized that there is indeed a chicken inside the shell…even from the earliest moments it is a chicken…and unless it is molested in some way, it will grow through all the developmental stages that it must go through in order to be recognized as a chicken by someone like you… I apologize if I have overestimated your intelligence and as such put you in a defensive position. It is clear that if you don’t see feathers, a comb, a beak, and real ugly feet that you can not grasp that what you are looking at might still be a chicken...perhaps you believe that full fledged chickens just materialize from the ether…

Quote by: ”star boy” But I can't trace my existence back to a single cell. There was a point when I did not respond as a human being. I do not remember being a single fertilized cell. There is no way for me to remember it. I didn't have any brain cells let alone any brain cells that could remember anything. I cannot trace my existence as a human being back to a single cell because it is impossible for a single cell to be a human being. If you think that a single cell is a human being, even a cell specialized to grow into a human being in a womb then all I gotta say is that you probably should not be in a medical field even if it is dentistry.

If you can’t…it is due to a lack of imagination on your part…and that is quite unfortunate…Considering the content of most of your side of this discussion I would have guessed that you have quite the imagination…in fact, I would have thought that you might have a future as a fiction writer…perhaps biological science fiction…
It is not required that you have memory of a thing for it to still be reality…I am quite sure that you have no memory of being delivered into this world, but you were, none the less. When you were a mere zygote, you had no need of brain cells…you were on a path of development that would eventually provide them for you when you actually had a place to put them…you had brain cells when you were born yet you have no memory of the event..brain cells are not what make you human…
Do you know what a human being is? Have you ever looked at the words and considered their meanings? Human..simply a member of species homo sapiens…an unborn’s DNA clearly identifies it as human…and being..one who exists in reality…an unborn certainly exists in reality. The fact that you don’t recognize a human being unless it is wearing blue jeans and sporting a pair of Oakleys is a reflection on your intelligence…like not being able to recognize a chicken if it doesn’t have feathers, a comb, a beak, and real ugly feet…

Quote by: ”star boy” Hey it is stupid to feed BBQ ribs to an egg. So what?

You are sounding quite unintelligible there star boy…desperation is such an ugly thing..

Quote by: ”star boy” I never said that it wasn't but there are functions that we do expect humans that are alive to perform and a healty toddler qualifies, but a brain dead person, toddler or otherwise, does not. And it doesn't matter that the body of the dead person is still alive. And it doesn't matter if they are dead after they have lived or before they have lived. They are dead. I have said this to you many dozens of times by now. Living cells do not in and of themselves constitute a living human being. This is so obvious that I hope that your patients visit here and know who you are so that they can leave your practice because you have no business in any kind of medical field.

So…now you are saying that a healthy toddler is a human being? Gracious of you to admit that little defeat…
An unborn isn’t brain dead and as such can not be compared to someone who has suffered some trauma… Let me get this straight…now you are suggesting that unborns not only don’t belong to species homo sapiens, but they are dead as well?...Really….
I have heard you say over and over that living cells do not, by themselves, constitute a living human being…and I have agreed with you...but all the cells that make up a healthy body working in concert with one another…growing and functioning without the benefit of manmade life support do…and all the cells that make up a healthy unborn constitute its body (at whatever stage of development) and as such constitute a human being.
And I am not worried about losing my patients over a discussion with someone like you…I am a Michaelangelo among restorative dentists…In fact, I was going to ask if you mind if I copy our little conversation to show to some acquaintances, and to some that I am having this same sort of conversation with on other sites. You are absolutely priceless…you could have been a star on Art Linkletter’s show.

Quote by: ”star boy” Hey I agree, and if you remove a fetus from the womb before the brain is formed that is irreversible. That in order for a fetus to be considered alive it must have a functioning brain.

And if we remove you from your natural environment to…say…1500 meters or so below the surface of the ocean with no life support you also would not have a functioning brain…we would have murdered you…just as we murder an unborn when we remove it from its natural environment.

Quote by: ”star boy” Why do you keep on asking this question. Do you know what the definition of an idiot is? A person that does the same thing over and over again and expects a different result. Did they teach you that in dental school? But I am done. I am beginning to feel like an idiot myself. I have heard your broken record enough. I'll just make sure that I don't ask you for any eggs. Starboy

Yeah…I know what an idiot is…I have been talking to one for some time now…a person who is so twisted in his logic that he believes that he has not always been alive..and has not always been human…

Again…do you mind if I copy this conversation for the enjoyment of some other people? have a friend in the field of psychology that I would particularly like to show this to…perhaps he can give me some insight into why you are like you are…why you would be so desperate to win your point that you would go so far outside the bounds of scientific reality…and then there are a few who would just get a good laugh…

It has been a hoot star boy…