[Pale RIder]

Quote by: ”star boy” You brought up species. But I disagree that it is not relevant. In fact it illustrates your basic difficulty. It is germane to the discussion because at issue is the same concept. That a species is more than just a living organism. Just as at issue is a living organism is more than just living cells.

Yeah…I brought up species…and you have yet to demonstrate in any real way that an unborn human is not a human being…in fact you went in the other direction and suggested that no one is an actual human being until they have reproduced…

Quote by: ”star boy” Good you know the difference between cells. Now find the zygote in all human beings.

Find the buds that developed into your teeth…the bud is not a separate entity from the tooth, the bud is the tooth at an early stage of development…find the seed crystal that becomes a diamond…it isn’t a separate crystal, it is the diamond at its beginning…just as the zygote doesn’t turn into a human, the zygote is the human at that particular stage of the human’s development. This isn’t rocket science star boy…it is basic and easily understood by most people…I must say that I have had this discussion many times and I have never encountered someone who butchers basic science into an unrecognizable hodge podge of half truth in quite the way that you do.

Quote by: ”star boy” Sure I am in highschool. Yes I am a pimply faced highschool freshman. And if you like I have dyslexia and ADD. If you like my IQ is 75. And I was raised by wolves. And yet I am running circles around a dentist. A dentist that doesn't know how to count.

Well, you are running in circles...whether they are around me…that is open for discussion. You are sounding quite panicked starboy…you sound like you are getting close to even your tolerance level for BS…

Quote by: ”star boy” Sure, sure. Even farmers call eggs chickens. So do grocers. And yes of course people ask for a dozen chickens all the time when they want a dozen eggs. My you fancy dentists got us low IQ, pimply faced HS freshman with dyslexia and ADD that were raised by wolves beat! Those dental schools have done a fine job. I'll bet that you would never say that shit and shinola are different either. I mean after all they are made of atoms and pretty much the same atoms so they must be the same. Why heck, they both started with atoms and there were always atoms there so they must be the same.

This should be a lesson to you…never ask a farmer, or a grocer or people who are shopping for breakfast food to explain scientific concepts to you…I doubt that many people go into jewelry stores and ask to see the nicest piece of crystalline carbon set in a 75% pure au circle with a 6 element radial designed pt head either but whether one asks for that or a diamond ring in an 18 karat mounting with a platinum, 6 prong head, one is asking for the same thing…ask one way and almost everyone knows what you are asking for…ask another and one would most likely need a certain level of specialized education to understand what is being asked…
Ask a grocer or a farmer or star boy and an egg is just an egg…ask someone with a background in science and first they will ask if it is a fertilized egg…and if it is then they will tell you that you have a chicken embryo at some particular stage of development…and there will be no question as to what species that embryo belongs to…whether it has mated or not…

Quote by: ”star boy” So? This does nothing to refute my point. All you have done is show that there is process that takes an egg to a chicken. Not that an egg is a chicken. There is a process that takes all sorts of things and turns them into other things. People do not then say that the result is the starting material. The fact that there is a process that takes eggs to chickens is how people can easily differentiate between the inputs and the outputs. People do not call eggs chickens because they are not chickens. In order to become chickens they must go through the process that you describe.

That process, star boy, is called growth…it is the same process that turns an infant into an adolescent…and an adolescent into a young adult…and a young adult into an old geezer. The infant, and the adolescent, and the young adult, and the old geezer are not separate beings…they are the same being…just changing…and all of them were at one time, just a zygote…just like you. You, star boy, are not a separate entity from the zygote that you once were, you have just developed past that point…this is not difficult…if you hadn’t placed yourself so far out on a limb initially, you wouldn’t be in the indefensible position that you are now…