[Starboy]

Quote by: jeffl Well; there's the 'brain function' thing, which can't now be demonstrated (though there was a nice simulation called NEURON that i can't find anymore), and the clarity of which will be obscured significantly by the imposition of glial cell function through the evolution of emotion; so that's probably out. There's the individualistic theology that would be a natural end result of the dissolution of an ancient consciousness; mithraism was an obvious candidate. Not much that you might accept, i suppose. There is someone who seems to think of Cain and Abel along similar lines as i do; in 'Ishmael,' by Daniel Quinn, i think, the author talks about a community of herders and a community of farmers. He identifies what i might call the body of the brothers; and he neuters them.

Jeffl, how does this disparate collection of observations "fall" together? Are you just illustrating how your particular mind has a tendency to juxtapose items that really have nothing to do with one another? And that you lack a filter to see that they are not connected.

I suppose you can look and see for yourself; but there's also a nice objective treatment by Joel Bakan, in 'The Corporation.' It seems corporations are at once defined in law as person and required by law to put the interests of their shareholders before social concerns; hence, sociopathic.

So? I can point you to books that show how corporations have been a great boon to mankind. But hey, if you don't like corporations no one is making you work for them.

I would agree with this, and point out that faith in the scientific method is good, grounded faith. I strongly disagree. 'Faith,' for me, lies very close to 'hopeful.' In a real life forum with, amongst others, psychologists; it became clear that 'hopeful' is a natural human condition. Would you disagree with this assesment? My point would be that, though it may be an institutionalized double standard, it is more than that.

Your use of the word "faith" is not a common use. Is it your intent to confuse and obfuscate your posts? Why not just use the word "hopeful"? Most people who advocate "faith" mean much more than hopeful, but for some reason you have it backwards. You see faith as meaning "hopeful" and then want it to mean more than that.

So you admit your error and then attack me personally. :(

Sorry if you see it as an attack. But sometimes people’s brains do not work so well. Yours appears to be one of them.

And i've noticed that you say things that might make people think less of me, rather than directly addressing the facts of the matter. Is the periodic table 'thought,' or 'felt.' Did the elements discovered to fill the holes affirm the reality of the periodic table as a viable concept?

You are free to defend your ideas as best as you can. If you can't do that very well then people will draw their own conclusions. If you see by your own posts that you are not doing very well then do not blame me for your poor performance.

And there's nothing to preclude them originating from alien DNA. Shall we move on?

Hey I asked a question. It was your observation that hunter/gatherer is an inadequate way of looking at ourselves and that for some reason you think this because according to you it overlooks ritual. If you can't clarify your ideas in a way that makes sense then I can see why you would want to move on.

I suppose i do. I would hazard a guess that you're simply not prepared to come to any sort of conclusion other than that which can be born out by scientific experiment. Consider: in order for a signal to carry information it must be unpredictable. What that means is that, to science, information is noise; science misses an important aspect of Being, perhaps thee most important aspect, and that is meaning.

If there is any noise here it is coming from you. You want to claim that something is missing yet you are unable to say what that is. Why would anyone take you seriously? You appear to me to be a low grade huckster. You allude to insights and understandings that you are unable to actually demonstrate.

Starboy