[Starboy]

Quote by: jeffl I didn't say i found it in the scriptural record. I said i felt like i found it when it started falling together for me; not just the scriptural record, but the scientific record aswell. The physical nature of consciousness, as i've outlined in the consciousness thread; the nature of icon in ritual; of icon in the brain; it all kind of fell together.

You can demonstrate that it fell together? Or you just "feel" that it fell together?

Because they service sociopathic corporation. And i must say that, sadly, i also cannot raise my head; though i do not prosletize their dogma. I changed my heart, not my garment.

Why are organizations that employ and serve millions and in some cases billions of people sociopathic?

I don't think i am. I think that, in some sense, everyone of grounded faith sees it. More significantly, there is the meditative flash (the flash of hokhamah? catharsis?) that requires grounded discussion.

It has been my experience that people of "grounded faith" are far more likely to be deluded. That "faith" is nothing more than an institutionalized double standard.

Again, i didn't say that. What i meant was that what morality that does come from science comes from what may very well be an erronious perspective.

Perhaps, but it is not clear to me that you even know the most significant value held and practiced by science let alone any other so-called moral of science.

I think our supersticious tendancies are only one indication of our ritualistic past. Our inability to make our own vitamin C is, for me, indicative of a consistent source of substantial amounts of fruit in our evolutive past. In evolutionary genetics, a population grows up in a niche; and some studies indicate that a reasonable assumption would be our occupying a niche that filled our needs for something on the order of 300,000 years. Such a population, if sufficiently fecund, could serve as a source for a homo sapien sapien diaspora that would produce the appearance a hunter/gatherer past at first glance. For me, our ritualistic past is a reasonable ground for a real conscious perspective that is not individually human.

Jeffl, I have noticed that you make statements that you clearly haven't thought through. Perhaps you have "felt" you way through them but you have not thought your way through them. There is nothing precluding humans from being hunter gatherers and, as you seem to be saying, ritualistic.

Perhaps this is a too much to conclude but you appear to have a very proscribed idea as to what ritual is.

Starboy