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Quote by: Starboy What is this "new" discovery that you found in the scriptural record?

I didn't say i found it in the scriptural record. I said i felt like i found it when it started falling together for me; not just the scriptural record, but the scientific record aswell. The physical nature of consciousness, as i've outlined in the consciousness thread; the nature of icon in ritual; of icon in the brain; it all kind of fell together.

And what makes you think that you are not as pacified or neutered than they are? If not more so?

Because they service sociopathic corporation. And i must say that, sadly, i also cannot raise my head; though i do not prosletize their dogma. I changed my heart, not my garment.

Why are you the only one that sees "persistence of Life, Truth, through the cycle"?

I don't think i am. I think that, in some sense, everyone of grounded faith sees it. More significantly, there is the meditative flash (the flash of hokhamah? catharsis?) that requires grounded discussion.

What makes you think that there is no morality inherent in science?

Again, i didn't say that. What i meant was that what morality that does come from science comes from what may very well be an erronious perspective.

Fine then, what are we? Starboy

I think our supersticious tendancies are only one indication of our ritualistic past. Our inability to make our own vitamin C is, for me, indicative of a consistent source of substantial amounts of fruit in our evolutive past. In evolutionary genetics, a population grows up in a niche; and some studies indicate that a reasonable assumption would be our occupying a niche that filled our needs for something on the order of 300,000 years. Such a population, if sufficiently fecund, could serve as a source for a homo sapien sapien diaspora that would produce the appearance a hunter/gatherer past at first glance. For me, our ritualistic past is a reasonable ground for a real conscious perspective that is not individually human.