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Quote by: Gorgo Your ad hominem and your inability to think from point A to point B without several detours shows me the same about you.

Ad homonym? Where? Don't just throw around the term, and play the victim. I have seen you do this in other topics too. You distracted from the main topic.

Quote by: bishop nope.. i'm not that petty, and your analogy is a bit of a stretch. i'm not about to compare some clustered cells to the human being that pops out after 9 months. i keep repeating this: it's something that BECOMES life. i'm not about to take the most minimal example, a cluster of cells, and equate that to being the same as a human being. after all, isn't it the human being's life that is purportedly being protected here?

Yes, and you are preventing the inevitability of that cluster of cells from developing naturally from the sex that caused such a creation. You are denying it life whether or not you consider the state of it to be fully human or not.

i don't know how many underground abortions there were then, but i do know they occurred across the country. as for adoption, it isn't relavent to whether/not a woman has the right to her own body. but, adoption is a decent alternative for those who aren't comfortable with having an abortion. i would not loosen the requirements to adopt a child, either - babies are not hot commodities like little putties and kittens.

I think restrictions on abortions need to be much higher. I think this is the compromise that legislators should seek. I just do not want it to be a casual choice that someone can make because they do not feel like having a child.

pregnancy can impose many problems for the mother - both physically and psychologically. the cluster of cells growing inside her is not a separate entity unto itself, and as a consequence, and the mother is sovereign over her body.

What is your point? If the baby will kill the mother then that is a different issue. This is not a normal occurrence.

When does a fertilized egg become a SEPARATE life. A fertilized egg becomes a separate life when it can be separated from the mother and retain it's viability. Simple as that.

Can a baby retain it's viability outside of the womb without a mother? A separate life still needs to be nurtured similarly to the way a mother's body takes care of it internally.

Quote by: LogicaLunatic dotcoma, There is going to come a time when a single human cell (excluding egg & sperm), fertilized or no, has the potential to become a human being. When that time comes, will having your appendix removed become a crime? Think of the THOUSANDS of 'potential' humans that would be simply thrown away there! And don't try to disagree because you "know" what they are.

No, I will disagree with you. The abortions we see are not clusters of cells that could have been for anything. They are indeed humans in the process of development.