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SeanG · Feb 16, 2005, 07:15 pm

Dr. Lundrum Shettles was for twenty-seven years attending obstetrician-gynecologist at Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center in New York. Shettles was a pioneer in sperm biology, fertility, and sterility. He is internationally famous for being the discoverer of male- and female- producing sperm. His intrauterine photographs of preborn children appear in over fifty medical textbooks. Dr. Shettles staes:

“I oppose abortion, I do so, first, because I accept what is biologically manifest – that human life commences at the same time of conception – and, secondly, because I believe it is wrong to take innocent human life under any circumstances. My position is scientific, pragmatic, and humanitarian.”

The official Senate report on Senate Bill 158, the “Human Life Bill,” summarized the issue this way:

“Physicians, biologists, and other scientists agree that conception marks the beginning of the life of a humans being – a being that is and is a member of the human species. There is overwhelming agreement on this point in countless medical, biological, and scientific writings.”

Does It Matter?

In a statement form the The Center for Bioethics and Human Dignity, Director of Media and Policy Daniel McConchie said:

"Stem cell lines are quickly becoming marketable items. Once some integral human parts can be bought and sold, we run the risk that democratic societies will decide that other weak and defenseless members of the human race in those societies can be utilized for profits as well."

Jews and Blacks were once said by the courts to be less than human, I wonder if we are headed down that path again?

Appendix… “How Long o’Lord?”

Six-months after the Roe v. Wade decision, Dr. Peter A. J. Adam, a professor of pediatrics at Case Western Reserve University, conducted an experiment in which he cut off the heads of twelve live aborted babies, pumped blood to their brains and kept them alive by machine to observe them.(1) Responding to criticism, Dr. Adam defended his experiment by commenting, “Once society’s declared the fetus dead, and abrogated its rights, I don’t see any ethical problem…. Whose rights are we going to protect once we’ve decided the fetus won’t live?”(2)

In a series of experiments conducted at Stanford University, Dr. Robert C. Goodlin cut open the chests of live aborted babies and observed their hearts directly. “The thorax [chest] was opened and the heart was observed directly,” he explained. All the babies died within eleven hours.(3)

In three studies at the University of Manitoba beginning in 1973, Dr. Francisco Reyes cut open the stomachs and skulls of 149 live aborted babies. The first study involved the delivery of live, normal babies whose abdomens were cut open and their sex and adrenal glands examined. The second study involved 79 babies aborted alive and later killed by heart puncture. The third study involved 116 babies also aborted alive. Their skulls were opened and their pituitary glands removed. They also were later killed by heart puncture.(4)

According to a June 1972 Reuters News Agency report, testicles were successfully transplanted from a six-month-old aborted baby into a twenty-eight-year-old Lebanese man. The donor baby was then killed.(5) In 1974 Dr. Bela A. Resch cut the hearts out of aborted babies and observed them beating outside their bodies for hours.(6) In 1980Dr. Martti Kekomaki cut open the stomachs and severed the heads of several live aborted babies.(7) He later remarked, “An aborted baby is just garbage and that’s where it ends up. Why not make use of it for society?”(8)

Two days after being elected into office, Bill Clinton legalized Partial-Birth abortions. This procedure requires a birth to be induced in the second or third trimester. The child is born breech (feet first), allowing all but a few inches of the child’s skull to be birthed from the canal. The baby is then rolled over so the stomach is facing down. A blunt cutting instrument is then inserted into the base of the child’s skull and an incision is then cut. A suction instrument is then inserted into the baby’s skull for the reason of extracting the brain tissue. This procedure is done on a live baby that would be considered a human (and Constitutionally protected) if it slipped out of the mothers womb a mere three inches. The baby is heard crying and the hands clench into tiny fists in agony due to the operation. After the baby dies from this procedure, she is then turned over and other parts are then harvested, as needed.

Footnotes for Appendix
1) Medical World News, June 8, 1973, p. 21.
2) The Stealing of America, by John Whitehead, p.p. 52-53.
3) Cited in The Abortion Holocaust: Today’s Final Solution, by William Brennan, p.p. 58-59.
4) See: F. I. Reyes, J. S. D. Winter, C. Faiman, “Studies on Human Sexual Development, I. Fetal Gonadal and Adrenal Sex Steroids,” Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism (July 1973): 37:1, 74-79; F. I. Reyes, R. S. Boroditsky, J. S. D. Winter, C. Faiman, “Studies on Human Sexual Development , II. Fetal and Maternal Serum Gonadotropin and Sex Steroid Concentration,” Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism (April 1974): 38:4, 612-617; J. A. Clements, F. I. Reyes, J. S. D. Winter, C. Faiman, “Studies on Human Sexual Development, III. Fetal Pituitary and Serum, Amniotic Fluid Concentrations of LH, CG, and FSH,” Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism (January 1976): 42:1, 9-19; J. A. Clements, F. I. Reyes, J. S. D. Winter, C. Faiman, “Studies on Human Sexual Development, IV. Fetal Pituitary and Serum, Amniotic Fluid Concentrations of Prolactin,” Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism (February 1977): 44:3, 408-413; Garry I. Warne, Charles Faiman, F. I. Reyes, J. S. D. Winter, “Studies on Human Sexual Development, V. Concentrations of Testosterone, 17-Hydroxyprogesterone and Progesterone in Human Amniotic Fluid throughout Getsation,” Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism (May 1977): 44:5, 934-938; Garry I. Warne, Charles Faiman, F. I. Reyes, J. S. D. Winter, “Studies on Human Sexual Development, VI. Concentrations of Unconjugated Dehydroepiandrosterone, Estradiol, and Estriol in Amniotic Fluid throughout Gestation,” Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism (December 1978): 47:6, 1363-1367.
5) Reuters News Agency, June 12, 1972.
6) Bela A. Resch, et al., “Comparison of Spontanious Concentration Rates if In Situ and Isolated Fetal Hearts in Early Pregnancy,” American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, 118:1 (January 1, 1974): 73-74.
7) National Examiner (August 19, 1980).
8) ibid., 20.

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SeanG Molten Ash Location: In a Chair Posts: 93	Dr. Lundrum Shettles was for twenty-seven years attending obstetrician-gynecologist at Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center in New York. Shettles was a pioneer in sperm biology, fertility, and sterility. He is internationally famous for being the discoverer of male- and female- producing sperm. His intrauterine photographs of preborn children appear in over fifty medical textbooks. Dr. Shettles staes: “I oppose abortion, I do so, first, because I accept what is biologically manifest – that human life commences at the same time of conception – and, secondly, because I believe it is wrong to take innocent human life under any circumstances. My position is scientific, pragmatic, and humanitarian.” The official Senate report on Senate Bill 158, the “Human Life Bill,” summarized the issue this way: “Physicians, biologists, and other scientists agree that conception marks the beginning of the life of a humans being – a being that is and is a member of the human species. There is overwhelming agreement on this point in countless medical, biological, and scientific writings.” Does It Matter? In a statement form the The Center for Bioethics and Human Dignity, Director of Media and Policy Daniel McConchie said: "Stem cell lines are quickly becoming marketable items. Once some integral human parts can be bought and sold, we run the risk that democratic societies will decide that other weak and defenseless members of the human race in those societies can be utilized for profits as well." Jews and Blacks were once said by the courts to be less than human, I wonder if we are headed down that path again? Appendix… *“How Long o’Lord?”* Six-months after the Roe v. Wade decision, Dr. Peter A. J. Adam, a professor of pediatrics at Case Western Reserve University, conducted an experiment in which he cut off the heads of twelve live aborted babies, pumped blood to their brains and kept them alive by machine to observe them.(1) Responding to criticism, Dr. Adam defended his experiment by commenting, “Once society’s declared the fetus dead, and abrogated its rights, I don’t see any ethical problem…. Whose rights are we going to protect once we’ve decided the fetus won’t live?”(2) In a series of experiments conducted at Stanford University, Dr. Robert C. Goodlin cut open the chests of live aborted babies and observed their hearts directly. “The thorax [chest] was opened and the heart was observed directly,” he explained. All the babies died within eleven hours.(3) In three studies at the University of Manitoba beginning in 1973, Dr. Francisco Reyes cut open the stomachs and skulls of 149 live aborted babies. The first study involved the delivery of live, normal babies whose abdomens were cut open and their sex and adrenal glands examined. The second study involved 79 babies aborted alive and later killed by heart puncture. The third study involved 116 babies also aborted alive. Their skulls were opened and their pituitary glands removed. They also were later killed by heart puncture.(4) According to a June 1972 Reuters News Agency report, testicles were successfully transplanted from a six-month-old aborted baby into a twenty-eight-year-old Lebanese man. The donor baby was then killed.(5) In 1974 Dr. Bela A. Resch cut the hearts out of aborted babies and observed them beating outside their bodies for hours.(6) In 1980Dr. Martti Kekomaki cut open the stomachs and severed the heads of several live aborted babies.(7) He later remarked, “An aborted baby is just garbage and that’s where it ends up. Why not make use of it for society?”(8) Two days after being elected into office, Bill Clinton legalized Partial-Birth abortions. This procedure requires a birth to be induced in the second or third trimester. The child is born breech (feet first), allowing all but a few inches of the child’s skull to be birthed from the canal. The baby is then rolled over so the stomach is facing down. A blunt cutting instrument is then inserted into the base of the child’s skull and an incision is then cut. A suction instrument is then inserted into the baby’s skull for the reason of extracting the brain tissue. This procedure is done on a live baby that would be considered a human (and Constitutionally protected) if it slipped out of the mothers womb a mere three inches. The baby is heard crying and the hands clench into tiny fists in agony due to the operation. After the baby dies from this procedure, she is then turned over and other parts are then harvested, as needed. Footnotes for Appendix 1) Medical World News, June 8, 1973, p. 21. 2) The Stealing of America, by John Whitehead, p.p. 52-53. 3) Cited in The Abortion Holocaust: Today’s Final Solution, by William Brennan, p.p. 58-59. 4) See: F. I. Reyes, J. S. D. Winter, C. Faiman, “Studies on Human Sexual Development, I. Fetal Gonadal and Adrenal Sex Steroids,” Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism (July 1973): 37:1, 74-79; F. I. Reyes, R. S. Boroditsky, J. S. D. Winter, C. Faiman, “Studies on Human Sexual Development , II. Fetal and Maternal Serum Gonadotropin and Sex Steroid Concentration,” Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism (April 1974): 38:4, 612-617; J. A. Clements, F. I. Reyes, J. S. D. Winter, C. Faiman, “Studies on Human Sexual Development, III. Fetal Pituitary and Serum, Amniotic Fluid Concentrations of LH, CG, and FSH,” Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism (January 1976): 42:1, 9-19; J. A. Clements, F. I. Reyes, J. S. D. Winter, C. Faiman, “Studies on Human Sexual Development, IV. Fetal Pituitary and Serum, Amniotic Fluid Concentrations of Prolactin,” Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism (February 1977): 44:3, 408-413; Garry I. Warne, Charles Faiman, F. I. Reyes, J. S. D. Winter, “Studies on Human Sexual Development, V. Concentrations of Testosterone, 17-Hydroxyprogesterone and Progesterone in Human Amniotic Fluid throughout Getsation,” Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism (May 1977): 44:5, 934-938; Garry I. Warne, Charles Faiman, F. I. Reyes, J. S. D. Winter, “Studies on Human Sexual Development, VI. Concentrations of Unconjugated Dehydroepiandrosterone, Estradiol, and Estriol in Amniotic Fluid throughout Gestation,” Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism (December 1978): 47:6, 1363-1367. 5) Reuters News Agency, June 12, 1972. 6) Bela A. Resch, et al., “Comparison of Spontanious Concentration Rates if In Situ and Isolated Fetal Hearts in Early Pregnancy,” American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, 118:1 (January 1, 1974): 73-74. 7) National Examiner (August 19, 1980). 8) ibid., 20. All truth is relative! (Is that a relative truth?); There are no absolutes! (Are you absolutely sure?); Its true for you but not for me! (Is that statement true just for you, or is it for everyone?)